A conversation between Catherine Ingram and Berry Lieberman.  Berry is the founder of the Australian journal Dumbo Feather and of Small Giants, an impact investment firm, which uses “all forms of capital”–intellectual, empathic, activist, and monetary–for the greater good.  Recorded in Byron Bay, Australia in November 2019 in the midst of Australia’s summer of fires.
NOTE correction: This podcast was recorded in December 2019, not November.