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This podcast is a recording from a Dharma Dialogues session with Catherine that originally occurred in Ojai, California in 2009. In years past it was produced on CD and MP3 and has now been re-mastered for use as a podcast. Although some of the references are cultural or news events from that time, Catherine’s message in these conversations is timeless. Just as neurotic thought can become a conditioned habit, so can the experience of clear and simple awareness.